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what is the future in michigan? how do we fight back in michigan? >> well, we continue to fight, reverend. and, you know, we had demonstrators, we had thousands of people here on the capitol steps today fighting against right to work. we had women here demanding that they have the right to privacy, the right to choose. and that's what we need to continue to do. we are a democracy. and a democracy is a government based on representation. we have elected officials here who are not representing the people that elected them. and that's a real problem. we need to hold them accountable. we didn't take up the bills today in the house, but i have a feeling we're going to be taking up some of these bills tomorrow. and we need to be very vocal, and as i said we need to hold people accountable. these representatives just as you heard, they're not going around saying this is my agenda. it's i believe in small government. well, you know, telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body is not small government. they talk about jobs. this house bill 5711 w
what is the future in michigan? how do we fight back in michigan? >> well, we continue to fight, reverend. and, you know, we had demonstrators, we had thousands of people here on the capitol steps today fighting against right to work. we had women here demanding that they have the right to privacy, the right to choose. and that's what we need to continue to do. we are a democracy. and a democracy is a government based on representation. we have elected officials here who are not...
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they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right-to-work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying that right-to-work will make more jobs. but i don't think that. i believe that right-to-work is going to hurt the people out there. >> to take that away by this kind of right-wing attack by the republican administration is a disgrace to everything michigan has stood for decades and decades. >> so governor snyder, i find it interesting. if you sign this, how can you stand in front of the people and say this is what the people want with a number like that? this is how serious this issue is tonight. the entire democratic delegation called a special meeting with the michigan governor, senator debbie stabenow.
they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right-to-work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying...
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. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as apartment of a troeshlg union battle that's about to unfold. at issue, the so called "right to work." legislation is being pushed through the republican lawmakers that could come to a final vote as early as today. the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the influence of labor unions in a state that is home to the auto industry and has a long history of organized labor. during a visit to detroit yesterday where he intendeded to focus on the fiscal clivgs president obama waded head first into the union battle. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages. we shouldn't be doing that. you know, these so-called right-to-work laws, that i don't have to do with economics. they have everything do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. you only have to look to michigan where
. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as apartment of a troeshlg union battle that's about to unfold. at issue, the so called "right to work." legislation is being pushed through the republican lawmakers that could come to a final vote as early as today. the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the...
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it all unfolds in michigan. is it the new wisconsin? find out what is driving the big change in the state. that's home to one of the most powerful unions out there. the united auto workers. good morning from washington, tuesday, december 11th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. one of those times in washington when the less that is said the better the news may be, that is if you hope lawmakers and the president come to an agreement on a verdict in this so-called fiscal cliff. we know some of you don't want to deal, but the president has no public events today and not many planned for this week. many at the white house and congress believe the less that anyonecome pains publicly the better the chances are at striking some sort of fragile deal. the president was back on the road monday trying to wheel a little bit of his political capital to drive home the deal that he wants at a minimum on the fiscal cliff. >> typical middle class family of four will see an income tax hike of around $2,200 how many of you can afford to pay another $ $2,200 in taxes?
it all unfolds in michigan. is it the new wisconsin? find out what is driving the big change in the state. that's home to one of the most powerful unions out there. the united auto workers. good morning from washington, tuesday, december 11th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. one of those times in washington when the less that is said the better the news may be, that is if you hope lawmakers and the president come to an agreement on a verdict in this so-called fiscal cliff. we know some of you don't want...
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. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>> developing news this hour. protesters rae main out of michigan's capitol building urging the governor not to sign right to work legislation and barring them from requiring workers to pay union dues as a condition of employment. the state house passed both bills today dealing with private and public sector unions. protesters were shouting "shame on you" from the gallery. michael moore said they're up to 15,000 people at the protest. state senate passed both bills last week and now michigan governor rick snyder says he'll sign them as early as tomorrow. nbc's ron mott is there. what's the latest? >> reporter: hey
. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>>...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> and one top union official has vowed to wage war against lawmakers that support the measure saying, quote, we are going to take you out. nbc's ron mott has the latest of lansing. >> reporter: good afternoon, tamron. protest is the word of the day. they're voicing opposition to this legislation that would make michigan the 24th right to work state in the country. now, the governor rick snyder is expected to sign this legislation when and if it hits his desk. a lot of folks here believe that this is a back door attempt at trying to limit democracy in the state of michigan. you can hear some of the protests behind me and union workers here believe it's a direct attempt at trying to break the backs of the unions as i should say and a lot of folks believe that this is payback for the result of the election on november 6th. the re-election of president obama. i spoke with the head of the chamber of commerce here in michigan. he believes this
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> and one top union official has vowed to wage war against lawmakers that support the measure saying, quote, we are going to take you out. nbc's ron mott has the latest of lansing. >> reporter: good afternoon, tamron. protest is the word of the day. they're voicing opposition to this legislation that would make michigan the 24th right to work state in the country. now, the governor rick snyder is...
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unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be
unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes...
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your...
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one republican michigan governor of late said just this year that michigan would never make that mistake. he told a u.s. house committee i don't believe it's appropriate in michigan during 2012. another quote, you look now that they've had those things happen, talk about neighboring states. do they have a productive environment to solve problems? not necessarily. they're still overcoming the divisiveness, the hard feelings from all of that. that last quote of course was from rick snyder. current governor of michigan, who is apparently now been convinced that nothing is too divisive for his state. what happened to governor rick snyder around so fast on this? and what is going to happen to michigan if they pushed this through, as they say they are going to at lightning speed as early as tomorrow morning with no debate? joining us now for some insight is andy potter. he is a state vice president in the michigan corrections labor union. mr. potter himself is a republican, which makes me particularly grate to feel have a chance to talk to you tonight. so thank you for being here. >> absolutel
one republican michigan governor of late said just this year that michigan would never make that mistake. he told a u.s. house committee i don't believe it's appropriate in michigan during 2012. another quote, you look now that they've had those things happen, talk about neighboring states. do they have a productive environment to solve problems? not necessarily. they're still overcoming the divisiveness, the hard feelings from all of that. that last quote of course was from rick snyder....
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo salaries can be higher when workers' wages are lower. >> julian, by our count seven 69 ten poorest states in the u.s. are right to work states. >> exactly. >> nine of the ten richest are not. >> that's true. >> why do they support this legislation claiming that it helps workers? it does the exact opposite. >> if you look at the right to work states, they generally tend to have lower wages, generally tend to have higher unemployment. the argument on the other side was economic growth, they tend to be growing faster. >> so that's the rick perry argument. >>
in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo...
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this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our society and we look forward to them being more responsive to workers. >> one last question, i know the funding relationship of mr. king as i said he was elected press of an international union with a good reputation. your organization i want to know more about. again, for the fifth time, who pays your salary? >> i told you i work for americans for prosperity. >> who pays your salary? >> i told you, americans for prosperity. >> and who is that? >> that's a nonprofit. we have over 87,000 activists. >> are the koch brothers behind you? jus
this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our...
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. >> president obama on the ground in michigan. >> i will work with republicans. >> delivering a speech at an engine manufacturing plant. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> they are ready to make a deal. >> they are ready to make a deal on tax rates. >> republicans know that they have to give on taxes. >> i don't think there's a republican alive who can stop what is happening. >> senator corker has nailed this one. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> you have to have leverage. >> we don't have the leverage. the power isn't there. >> could a secret meeting seal the deal when it come to the fiscal cliff? the white house says it can happen. >> president obama and speaker boehner sit down at the white house. >> their first one on one in three weeks. >> the heavy lifting is going to have to happen this week. >> if this week goes bad -- >> this week is going to be a critical week. >> even if the speaker and president are cuddling in the lincoln bedroom -- >> i think everybody needs to cool their jets. >> that's not going to get us a deal
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i bring it up as backdrop to this michigan debate. if you're a union leader there, do you want to lose all the jobs or get a job at 18, $19 an hour? >> if you're a union leader, you probably vote for fewer jobs at higher wages because you will protect your base. if you're an average michigan person, which is why this thing is probably reasonably popular there, i just want a job and willing to take it at $14.50 a job. >> last week, apple announced the same thing, they're bringing jobs back. executives said they had a duty to do it. it was their obligation to do it. >> when you do something for that reason, it's not a huge number. >>> guys, read the atlantic monthly. we had the author on. james on, come back. the suggestion in this article at least, outsourcing was a fad, a corporate fad. some businesses trying to make a quick buck over a decade. at the end of the day, it didn't work and even if it worked for a while, it doesn't work in our economy. >> saying it's a fad is a really dangerous thing to say. that's not what it was. it wasn
i bring it up as backdrop to this michigan debate. if you're a union leader there, do you want to lose all the jobs or get a job at 18, $19 an hour? >> if you're a union leader, you probably vote for fewer jobs at higher wages because you will protect your base. if you're an average michigan person, which is why this thing is probably reasonably popular there, i just want a job and willing to take it at $14.50 a job. >> last week, apple announced the same thing, they're bringing...